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Post by olannon on Mar 20, 2017 8:52:57 GMT
I have this idea that Sloan might be legit. Will be looking into it in the time to come. The list I'm tentatively looking at is this:
"Firing Solution"
Heavy Metal
Sloan
- Squire
- 'wall
- 5x Hunter
Junior
- Charger
Alain Runewood
Arlan Strangewayes
Do you like it? If not, why not? Its intended pair is Haley2, probably heavy metal (either electrobots or a variant with a 'wall).
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Post by 36Cygnar24Guy36 on Mar 20, 2017 11:18:34 GMT
I have played a few games with Sloan and a Stormwall, and I cannot see her leaving the house without it, it provides her with so much
1) Long range high pow guns
2) infantry control with covering fire
3) a pod to contest without committing
4) a late game heavy lifter after the feat is spent
5) huge base to hide/refuge behind
My only concern with 5 Hunters is that it lacks the volume of shots to deal with high model count armies, and it pushes her to dealing more exclusively with higher armour stuff, however shooting in general is not great as dedicated armour cracking, as you are starting off at lower pow attacks than just hitting stuff, and you get screwed by shield guards stopping you focusing down high value targets.
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Post by olannon on Mar 20, 2017 14:35:59 GMT
What high model count armies in particular are you afraid of?
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Post by 36Cygnar24Guy36 on Mar 20, 2017 14:43:50 GMT
I guess something like the Cryx Pirate theme force, but any list really that has enough bodies that you are forced to put your high value hunter shots into regular dooders to stop yourself getting swamped.
I guess the flip-side is you have enough Hunters to probabaly take out any pieces that threaten the Stormwall, and once you have done that you can just grind it out as they cannot kill the Stormwall, also with the Advance Deploy presence of the Hunters you can really bully your opponent in the first turn.
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Post by olannon on Mar 21, 2017 23:10:23 GMT
Against Cryx I reckon dropping Haley2 is often viable  |
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Post by Phoenixforger on Mar 22, 2017 0:13:22 GMT
The stability of a stormwall is definitely nice for Sloan, who seems to dig the whole "stand over here, shoot over there style". I'm pretty sure this won't handle enemy heavy metal too well. If they have a Stormwall with AS, that could be 2 crippled hunters a turn. Does your pairing account for Stryker1 or Darius double colossal?
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Post by olannon on Mar 22, 2017 8:24:46 GMT
The stability of a stormwall is definitely nice for Sloan, who seems to dig the whole "stand over here, shoot over there style". I'm pretty sure this won't handle enemy heavy metal too well. If they have a Stormwall with AS, that could be 2 crippled hunters a turn. Does your pairing account for Stryker1 or Darius double colossal? Why not? This list has enough firepower to blow enemy colossals away in a single turn. Stryker1 is probably the biggest issue. Testing will ensue! |
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Post by booggy on Mar 22, 2017 11:39:04 GMT
"This list has enough firepower to blow enemy colossals away in a single turn." => Maybe, but it needs all your focus, and all your attacks to do that (acccording to your maths on your blog ^^). No Refuge upkept, no camp. And, it's assuming "count 3d6 as averaging 11", which i'm not sure to agree (I prefer count that as 10,5).
All the remaining opponent models are left unarmed, against Sloan without focus. Could be dicey. If I would play the "Firing Solution" list against Cygnar, I would be careful of Sniped/Arcane Shielded Stormwall, which can hit your Hunters early.
My current drop vs Cygnar is Maddox, Storm Division :
(Maddox 1) Major Beth Maddox [+30]
- Squire [0]
- Stormwall [39]
- Charger [9]
Stormblade Infantry [10]
- Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [0]
- Stormblade Infantry Stormgunner (3) [6]
Storm lances (min) [12]
Storm lances (min) [12]
Journeyman Warcaster [4]
- Charger [9]
Captain Arlan Strangewayes [4]
Objectif = Bunker
I think the "Firing Solution" could have trouble running into this kind of list (not in my hand however, cause i'm only an average player !)... but it's just a feeling, I can be wrong.
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Post by olannon on Mar 22, 2017 12:29:06 GMT
Unless you are playing against Darius it's not necessarily a big deal if a Stormwall ends up having a couple of boxes left. Defensively you can always weigh the benefits of maximum power or upkeeping a single spell etc.
I don't think Maddox is a good counter to Sloan. At the end of the day Sloan has a Stormwall of her own so if you simply clear out everything else you're massively ahead. Stormwalls are fairly helpless on their own, they require a lot of support to perform well.
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Post by booggy on Mar 22, 2017 13:25:30 GMT
I dunno... the Sloan list has only 10-12 attacks and 8-9 attacking models per turn. It's not a lot..
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Post by xadmar on Mar 22, 2017 15:35:23 GMT
I've run Maddox Storm Division, SBI and Double SL, quite a few times into a Sloan list that looks very similar to the one posted and I have lost every game. The hunters murder AS/DR ponys like crazy. I think adding SW under heavy metal really makes Sloan that much better.
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Post by olannon on Mar 23, 2017 23:50:49 GMT
I've run Maddox Storm Division, SBI and Double SL, quite a few times into a Sloan list that looks very similar to the one posted and I have lost every game. The hunters murder AS/DR ponys like crazy. I think adding SW under heavy metal really makes Sloan that much better. Agreed. Her insane threat ranges are hard for Cygnar to cope with. |
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Post by xadmar on Mar 24, 2017 16:31:03 GMT
+jpgreat1 you just posted about the ATC and how your Sloan list was not heavy metal and hot garbage. What are your thoughts on Sloan and Sloan in Heavy Metal?
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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 24, 2017 19:58:45 GMT
+jpgreat1 you just posted about the ATC and how your Sloan list was not heavy metal and hot garbage. What are your thoughts on Sloan and Sloan in Heavy Metal? Wasn't that Trevy that posted that? |
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Post by xadmar on Mar 24, 2017 20:13:39 GMT
It was on Way of the Swan. I guess I figured Trevy the Great was jpgreat1 I could be wrong. |
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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 24, 2017 20:55:46 GMT
You Definitely are mixing up Cygnar Royalty! JP is different from Trevy!
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Post by booggy on Mar 25, 2017 7:32:38 GMT
Major Victoria Haley [+25] - Dynamo [18] - Stormclad [18] - Thorn [13] - Squire [5] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Firefly [8] Major Katherine Laddermore [8] Storm Lances (max) [20] Gobber Tinker [2] Ragman [4] Captain Kara Sloan [+28] - Stormwall [39] - Hunter [11] - Hunter [11] - Hunter [11] - Hunter [11] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Sentinel [8 - Reinholdt, Gobber Speculator [4] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [4] (...) The Kara list is... not good. Nominally it's there to scare people to get good matchups and play into Thornwall Storm Division, which I think it does fine. Unfortunately I submitted it without play it first, and had I done that I'd probably drop a Hunter for some solos. Maybe 2 GMCAs to put lots of assassination pressure on the table or 1 GMCA and some mechanic bros for the Stormwall. The plan was never to play it and just ride Future Sight Dynamo to victory all day. It seems that theorycally, Trevy prefers Kara out of Theme Force  |
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Post by olannon on Mar 25, 2017 23:31:59 GMT
That list above quoted from WOTS is pretty different to my heavy metal variant posted at the beginning of this thread, especially keeping the theme force benefits in mind.
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Post by booggy on Mar 27, 2017 8:53:38 GMT
Yes, sure it is different. I would just emphazise that Trevy's comments about is own Kara list suggests that he prefers running her out of theme force, with adding utility solos like GMCA. But maybe, Trevy would have another opinion, when Heavy Metal benefits (free solos, extended deployment zone, Repo[3]) are put in the balance as well.
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Post by olannon on Mar 28, 2017 10:31:04 GMT
Having contemplated Sloan a little I think I'm moving to a variant with 1 less Hunter in favour of getting a heavy on Jakes into the mix. The idea is that Sloan will not be losing any ranged wars, therefore her biggest problem is ensuring she has sufficient jam clear. Sacrificing one Hunter for this flexibility feels like the right thing to do, at least try out. It also highlights how different it is to run a list in and out of theme. Trevor might still disagree, we all have different experiences |
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Post by sleet01 on Mar 28, 2017 19:34:26 GMT
Having contemplated Sloan a little I think I'm moving to a variant with 1 less Hunter in favour of getting a heavy on Jakes into the mix. The idea is that Sloan will not be losing any ranged wars, therefore her biggest problem is ensuring she has sufficient jam clear. Sacrificing one Hunter for this flexibility feels like the right thing to do, at least try out. It also highlights how different it is to run a list in and out of theme. Trevor might still disagree, we all have different experiences This was my approach as well; I haven't had a chance to play my list yet but I felt that a melee heavy on Jakes brought a lot of scenario value. I'm looking forward to hearing your experiences with this version. |
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Post by olannon on Mar 28, 2017 20:09:52 GMT
First game with the revised Sloan list on Thursday |
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