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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 13, 2017 19:44:11 GMT
Trying to decide on lists to pair with my current go to list. I'm pretty partial to it and have had great success with it so not looking to change it but more what to pair with it. Here it is:
Sturgis Strom Brigade Squire Centurion x2 Jakes Hunter x2 Jr Firefly Stormlances max Laddermore Stormblade Captain
Looking for C&C on the following 3 lists, and what one would pair well with the above list.
Darius Heavy Metal Squire Stormclad x2 Ironclad x2 Hammersmith Arlan Jr Defender Jakes Defender
^ maybe this above list would be better with the Defenders on Darius?
Jakes Storm Brigade Squire Stormclad x2 Hammersmith x2 Lancer Laddermore Arlan Stormlances
^Other option is drop Arlan and the Lances down to min. in order to add an Ironclad
Kraye Heavy Metal Squire Stormclad x2 Devender x2 Ironclad x2 Hammersmith Arlan Runewood
^ Runewood is here because I literally ran out of free solos to take... I don't want jacks outside of Kraye's battlegroup, that's dumb isnt it?
To make it easier for me to see what more people think I should pair I've added a poll to make it apparent.
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Post by booggy on Mar 14, 2017 8:50:37 GMT
I would pair a list with a bit more magical attacks, which is, IMO, a Theme Force related weakness. I cannot test my own Storm Division/Heavy Metal list against Cryx (Cryx are very rare these days in my meta...) , but for example, I can see Denny1 "Ghost Fleet" with full Revenant Boat/Incorporel stuff being a real problem for me (and maybe the majority of our TF list).
That's why I'm currently working on a Caine1 list, out of TF.
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Post by snarlyyow on Mar 14, 2017 16:17:07 GMT
Trying to decide on lists to pair with my current go to list. I'm pretty partial to it and have had great success with it so not looking to change it but more what to pair with it. Here it is: Sturgis Strom Brigade Squire Centurion x2 Jakes Hunter x2 Jr Firefly Stormlances max Laddermore Stormblade Captain Looking for C&C on the following 3 lists, and what one would pair well with the above list. Darius Heavy Metal Squire Stormclad x2 Ironclad x2 Hammersmith Arlan Jr Defender Jakes Defender ^ maybe this above list would be better with the Defenders on Darius? Jakes Storm Brigade Squire Stormclad x2 Hammersmith x2 Lancer Laddermore Arlan Stormlances ^Other option is drop Arlan and the Lances down to min. in order to add an Ironclad Kraye Heavy Metal Squire Stormclad x2 Devender x2 Ironclad x2 Hammersmith Arlan Runewood ^ Runewood is here because I literally ran out of free solos to take... I don't want jacks outside of Kraye's battlegroup, that's dumb isnt it? To make it easier for me to see what more people think I should pair I've added a poll to make it apparent. If you want to make pairings you have to know what your list does. What does your Sturgis list do? My real thought is that list will have some trouble cracking armor. Sturgis is one of those casters that I think is better out of theme; I've played the hell out of him. But I'm looking at your list and thinking it's prolly a fine drop into a great many things but you'll need a dedicated armor drop. And maybe something to handle Circle. If those three casters and lists are your only options I'll give you these thoughts: Darius can be built to crack armor but I really hate this list. I hate it a lot. Darius wants reach jacks and Centurions and Stormwalls and I feel like you're fighting an uphill battle here. Plus you got a handful of heavies and no lancer. If you want Darius to run all these heavies you'll need a lancer to make use of jackhammer. This list has big time problems and you'll find Darius' position on the table will be an exercise in frustration. I like this list and I've played a ton of Jakes. I do think she wants a Sentinel. I do question the lack of a junior in a list with Max Lances. I'd drop the lancer straight up (+10 pts), trade a Stormclad for a Defender (+2 pts), and add Junior and a Sentinel (-12 pts). Maybe have Junior run the Defender so Jakes can use the Sentinel as her Escort buddy. I think this list is doable as it sits, though, but with some minor tweaks could be really serviceable. Jakes is an armor cracker and can prolly pair okay with Sturgis. I like Darius more but dislike the list you posted. I don't have any experience with Kraye.
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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 14, 2017 16:24:29 GMT
My only limitations are that those casters be used. Critique away on the 3 lists of Kraye, Jakes, and Darius. Help me be competent! I wasn't sure what to do with Darius. I love my conversion for him. Just trying to honestly figure it all out. I like your proposed change for Jakes2! I'll look into that a bit more. If I drop the lances down to min and arlan completely would adding another heavy be ok? or is the Jr. with a Buddy a bit better? Yes Sturgis struggles with armour cracking. I used to pair him with S2 and S3, but was struggling with them far too much. My sturgis list I thoroughly enjoy into a ton of lists. Especially Circle. Never worried about shifting or sentry stones ever
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Post by 36Cygnar24Guy36 on Mar 14, 2017 16:31:48 GMT
I personally run Darius with 3 Centurions, when you cut 3" off your enemies threat (more if they rely on Boundless charge or similar stuff), and given the fact that you can run and Jackhammer for a 10" threat, it is fairly often you get the alpha, especially with Fortify stopping any drags.
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Post by snarlyyow on Mar 14, 2017 16:53:07 GMT
My only limitations are that those casters be used. Critique away on the 3 lists of Kraye, Jakes, and Darius. Help me be competent! I wasn't sure what to do with Darius. I love my conversion for him. Just trying to honestly figure it all out. I like your proposed change for Jakes2! I'll look into that a bit more. If I drop the lances down to min and arlan completely would adding another heavy be ok? or is the Jr. with a Buddy a bit better? Yes Sturgis struggles with armour cracking. I used to pair him with S2 and S3, but was struggling with them far too much. My sturgis list I thoroughly enjoy into a ton of lists. Especially Circle. Never worried about shifting or sentry stones ever You can listen to episode 10 which has my thoughts on Darius. It's pre-Heavy Metal so it's not entirely up to date but I think the advice mostly holds true. If you want to run him without a Stormwall I think the right way to do it is two Centurions then a Stormclad. With your free points I'd add an Avenger. Or you could have Sword Knights, I've always liked them with Darius and the theme allows them. You can do a lot: Darius Squire Centurion X 2 Stormclad Hammersmith Lancer Arlan Jr -Firefly Runewood Sword Knights Mechanics That list looks legit to me. I'm not a huge fan of the hammersmith with Darius but that's sort of what you have room to get at this point.
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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 14, 2017 17:21:34 GMT
Do you think him and Jakes are the definite choice then? Allowing for cracking some heavy armour?
Snarly, have you had a Sturgis session on Storm Chamber yet?
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Post by snarlyyow on Mar 14, 2017 17:52:30 GMT
Do you think him and Jakes are the definite choice then? Allowing for cracking some heavy armour? Snarly, have you had a Sturgis session on Storm Chamber yet? By "him" you mean Sturgis? I dunno. making lists is like writing a joke, you gotta start with the punchline first. How's your Sturgis list win? It's a legitimate question. If you're playing the list you provided I'd look at that and think you're trying to just play an attrition game. I guess that's fine. It's not how I think Sturgis should be played. I play him super Aggro, like crazy Aggro. WHen I play Sturgis people look at the table and say: "Is that your caster...in front of your whole army?" Anyway, I haven't done a Sturgis episode yet. I had a post on the PP forums called "So you want to play Sturgis..." but I think it's gone with the overhaul on the forums. If you want to play him in Storm Division I'd seriously consider an Avenger and a Minuteman/Reliant or Stormwall. But that's me and I'm weird as hell. You'll need someone who has some muscle to pair with him. I'd look at Jakes2 to fill that role.
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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 14, 2017 18:06:30 GMT
Hahahahahah ok well I do play a bit of an attrition game, every turn I'm making attacks with Sturgis. At a recent tournament I went 2-1 with him (the loss being only landed 3 out of 14 attacks needing 8's to hit with sturgis on his caster leaving him on 3 boxes when I clocked). I regularly have him out front of my army, or with very little between him and an opponent. I skirmish a ton, using his flash to jump over centurions to feat or buy attacks then tp back to the other side, or leave charge gaps in the Centurion wall for Sturgis to go through. Definitely have him upfront though, and have on several occasions advanced then tp'd up field turn one to threaten an infantry blob. Not the first time I've heard that though about the list I bring with him. I agree that attrition is paramount with him. Tabling balanced armies has not been hard so far. And by turn 3 or 4 so far I've always had an open avenue on my opponents caster. I feel like 9/10 times I win I assassinate, whether that be from attritioning down an opponent, so he has to expose his caster, or using the feat to shuffle screens out of the way. First 2 turns I always scalpel out opponents tools. For examples from recent games: Top of 1 vs circle recently I killed a shifting stone from his only unit and put an AP shot on his caster forcing a transfer of 11 point of damage. second turn putting 2 AP shots onto Ghetto and a pair of boostable hand cannons ended up finishing him off before using stormlances to elimante a pureblood. from there I use spacing and pressure to force my opponents hand and eventually go for an assassination or scenario depending on if they're willing to move their caster up. If not, scenario. If so, Darth Maul enters the fray. I don't think theres been more than 1 turn after turn 1 where sturgis himself is not killing 3 or so infantry models or wounding a heavy. That's where the list started and grew from. From there I realize I have issues dealing with armour. Hence my attempt at making a jack brick with casters that run the hard hitters rather efficiently. Kraye allows me to get to an opponent's armour quickly and efficiently, while keeping spacing afterwords. Jakes allows the same thing, while not quite as efficient, but provides more punch and secondary infantry killing potential. Darius provides a skew in himself that helps answer armour bricks as if his don't finish mine, I get a second round of it while still providing efficient and accurate jacks over spacing. I appreciate the reflection Snarly! Let me know if you ever want to gush about Sturgis
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Post by snarlyyow on Mar 14, 2017 18:30:26 GMT
Jonnyd, I could talk about Sturgis all day. You should message me on the Facebook.
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Post by wwjonnyd on Mar 14, 2017 18:59:30 GMT
Jonnyd, I could talk about Sturgis all day. You should message me on the Facebook. Have before I think actually.
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