Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation

Sir Mythos
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Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation Mar 2, 2017 8:13:33 GMT

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Post by Sir Mythos on Mar 2, 2017 8:13:33 GMT

Hey fellow swans.

I like to share with you my Jakes2 list. In my opinion she is a good allrounder that can handle a lot of situations. The main problem with her is her own weakness, since her stats are not so good.
The idea behind the list is simply but effective: Let the opponent come to you. Since not many lists can afford to have two Defender shoot at them round after round, they have to send something to engage. And this list can handle enough of things that try to engage. Besides that, the Defender work quite well against other Jacks. Killing Cortexes is a thing.

I started the list before the errata without a Ragman but with a Stromblade Captain in it. But since I wanted do keep Lanyssa in, a had to free up a point.

Cygnar - Shooting Retaliation
Theme: No Theme Selected
75 / 75 Army

Captain Allison Jakes - WJ: +28
- Squire - PC: 5
- Defender - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16)
- Defender - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12)
- Hammersmith - PC: 12
Captain Maxwell Finn - PC: 6
Journeyman Warcaster - PC: 4
- Firefly - PC: 8
Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Sorceress - PC: 4
Rhupert Carvolo, Piper of Ord - PC: 4
Captain Arlan Strangewayes - PC: 4
Major Katherine Laddermore - PC: 8
Ragman - PC: 4
Storm Lances - Leader & 2 Grunts: 12

Any comments/ideas on the list? Especially where the list could get huge problems and what to pair with it?
The list is my main Warmachine drop. I'm not sure, where to drop it in Hordes.

Phoenixforger
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Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation Mar 2, 2017 15:19:51 GMT

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Post by Phoenixforger on Mar 2, 2017 15:19:51 GMT

I can see this list having trouble into the current anti-lance meta. If your opponent has stuff to deal with them, then they won't last long as a min unit. Once they're gone, you lose much of the benefits of laddermore, ragman, rhupert, and junior. It just looks like a lot of support for a min unit of lances to me.

You're right about the defenders, they can do some serious work, and are pretty efficient with Strangeways. The Hammersmith has a respectable threat with lanyssa and escort, and Jakes is one of the casters who gets results out of them.

Interesting thing about Lances with Jakes: Impact attacks are melee attacks. So they get range 2" impact attacks with e-leap. So even if you only deliver 1 lance during feat turn, it can be devastating to infantry.

Have you considered bringing Jakes in a theme? Heavy Metal or Storm Div. would work well with your stuff. You'd lose some of the solos, but free points are always nice.

As for pairings, this list looks fairly fragile, but will punish opponents who have no guns/long threat ranges. Consider Stryker1, he can handle shooting. Or maybe Sloan, you can just outshoot them.

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snarlyyow Lt. Warcaster Posts: 78	Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation Mar 7, 2017 22:04:08 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by snarlyyow on Mar 7, 2017 22:04:08 GMT but what if the defenders were a Stormwall?
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Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation Mar 8, 2017 14:59:32 GMT via mobile

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Post by Rook on Mar 8, 2017 14:59:32 GMT

Mar 2, 2017 15:19:51 GMT Phoenixforger said:

I can see this list having trouble into the current anti-lance meta. If your opponent has stuff to deal with them, then they won't last long as a min unit. Once they're gone, you lose much of the benefits of laddermore, ragman, rhupert, and junior. It just looks like a lot of support for a min unit of lances to me.

You're right about the defenders, they can do some serious work, and are pretty efficient with Strangeways. The Hammersmith has a respectable threat with lanyssa and escort, and Jakes is one of the casters who gets results out of them.

Interesting thing about Lances with Jakes: Impact attacks are melee attacks. So they get range 2" impact attacks with e-leap. So even if you only deliver 1 lance during feat turn, it can be devastating to infantry.

Have you considered bringing Jakes in a theme? Heavy Metal or Storm Div. would work well with your stuff. You'd lose some of the solos, but free points are always nice.

As for pairings, this list looks fairly fragile, but will punish opponents who have no guns/long threat ranges. Consider Stryker1, he can handle shooting. Or maybe Sloan, you can just outshoot them.

Tim knows there's better options. He just has an absolute crush on the little redhead.

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snarlyyow
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Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation Mar 9, 2017 18:50:41 GMT

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Post by snarlyyow on Mar 9, 2017 18:50:41 GMT

Yeah, I do love me some redheads!

But I don't think she's an "all rounder". She's a straight armor cracker than hits hard. That's like her whole schtick. Her feat helps clear some dudes, which is good in a mostly dude-less meta (over the weekend I played into Skorne, no infantry; Minions, no infantry; Cygnar, 1 unit of lances; CoC, no infantry.) So it's not like not having a ton of dude removal is a problem.

Her big issue is simply that she dies super easy. I take all jacks and punch & sprint my way to victory. I think that's pretty awesome. She'll trivially die, you know, which is bad.

I don't take any infantry with her at all as she doesn't do anything for them aside from the feat. If I want lances I'll just run Stryker2 or Stryker1 or Maddox instead.

The Charger is like that one girlfriend you had in the tenth grade; not super flashy, subtle beauty in a nine point package, and you can't wait to show her off to your frenemies.

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Jakes2 - 75pt - Shooting Retaliation

Post by Sir Mythos on Mar 2, 2017 8:13:33 GMT

Post by Phoenixforger on Mar 2, 2017 15:19:51 GMT

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Post by Rook on Mar 8, 2017 14:59:32 GMT

Post by snarlyyow on Mar 9, 2017 18:50:41 GMT

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