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Post by Phoenixforger on Mar 15, 2017 12:54:34 GMT
Jamming with stryker2 in Heavy Metal?
Sword Knights!
They still exist!
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Post by 36Cygnar24Guy36 on Mar 15, 2017 12:59:54 GMT
my current list is
Stryker 2 - Squire - Ol Rowdy - Centurion - Cyclone - Lancer - Charger - Charger - Charger - Charger
Junior - Charger Runewood Arlan
The list can put out a pretty withering hail of fire, plus Deceleration means that you blunt any ranged retaliation, I have never found a need to 'jam' with the list, your guns force them to come to you in most cases (one exception I played recently was Kreoss 1). The threat is predictable, but that is not always a massive detriment when you can initiate favourable trades. For example say a Charger is contesting a scenario element, you can either Rebuke the unit that could charge him, or place a covering fire template down, your opponent is then forced to commit a jack or beast most likely to kill it. If they do then you can take a (hopefully more valuable)piece in return, or if they do not then they do not score that scenario element, which is a win as well, and your Charger is still there to threaten them next turn
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Post by olannon on Mar 15, 2017 13:26:22 GMT
Jamming with stryker2 in Heavy Metal? Sword Knights! They still exist! SPD6 isn't much to write home about compared to Lances with SPD8 and melee range 2". CygnarGuy - I would happily play my Stryker1 into that build. One of the interesting things about Stryker2 for me is to see whether he can handle himself in the mirror match.
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Post by 36Cygnar24Guy36 on Mar 15, 2017 13:33:46 GMT
CygnarGuy - I would happily play my Stryker1 into that build. One of the interesting things about Stryker2 for me is to see whether he can handle himself in the mirror match. I feel it would depend very much on the scenario, if it is a central one then Stryker 1 can probably feat to time walk for a turn and grind it out to scenario win, if it is a split one like Outlast then Stryker 2 only has to take down the one Stormwall and then feed stuff at the other one to keep it from moving to contest, which is do-able.
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Post by olannon on Mar 15, 2017 13:59:57 GMT
Maybe, maybe not. There are multiple Cygnar builds which gives that list cause for concern though. Meta is all over the place right now ^^.
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Post by olannon on Mar 15, 2017 22:09:42 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 15, 2017 22:21:37 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 17, 2017 17:13:32 GMT
Tournament tomorrow! Running Electrobots and Immovable Object. Wish me luck
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xadmar
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Post by xadmar on Mar 17, 2017 19:24:17 GMT
Good luck Olannon.
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Post by Phoenixforger on Mar 18, 2017 15:28:56 GMT
Best of luck.
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Post by olannon on Mar 19, 2017 9:29:27 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 19, 2017 9:57:24 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 19, 2017 10:17:55 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 19, 2017 10:37:57 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 19, 2017 20:13:27 GMT
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Post by Phoenixforger on Mar 20, 2017 1:35:43 GMT
Congrats on the win. Looking forward to your "goodbye immovable object" piece.
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Post by olannon on Mar 20, 2017 8:59:33 GMT
Thanks Hoping to get a piece out today or tomorrow!
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Post by jisidro on Mar 20, 2017 17:02:58 GMT
Congrats on the tournament. I think you're overestimating the ability of Krueger's heavies to one round a Stormclad.
Can you tell me the X-1 players and their respective casters (themes if you can get them?)?
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Post by olannon on Mar 20, 2017 20:02:57 GMT
I think you are underestimating Primal You can view the standings here: www.tiebreak.co.uk/ia-ix/standings This was before the finals were played and since I won Skorne came second. He ran Makeda1, Makeda2. Third place, Trollbloods, my opponent from the semi-finals. Doomie3, Ragnor, both in Power of Dhunia. I'm not sure what Khador in 4th ran but I know he had Butcher3. I think it was out of theme to get Orin. The following Merc players both ran Ossrum and MacBain, one of the MacBain's in Kingmaker's. Circle Krueger2 in one theme, Morvahna2 in the other theme. Cryx not entirely sure, but Skarre1 incorporeal spam thingy at least. I'm guessing vanilla Coven secondary. X-1, Mercs, not sure.
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Post by olannon on Mar 20, 2017 21:14:06 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 22, 2017 22:09:15 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 22, 2017 22:34:08 GMT
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Post by jisidro on Mar 23, 2017 14:32:24 GMT
I think you are underestimating Primal You can view the standings here: www.tiebreak.co.uk/ia-ix/standings This was before the finals were played and since I won Skorne came second. He ran Makeda1, Makeda2. Third place, Trollbloods, my opponent from the semi-finals. Doomie3, Ragnor, both in Power of Dhunia. I'm not sure what Khador in 4th ran but I know he had Butcher3. I think it was out of theme to get Orin. The following Merc players both ran Ossrum and MacBain, one of the MacBain's in Kingmaker's. Circle Krueger2 in one theme, Morvahna2 in the other theme. Cryx not entirely sure, but Skarre1 incorporeal spam thingy at least. I'm guessing vanilla Coven secondary. X-1, Mercs, not sure.
I'm not. But saying a heavy wrecks another with primal isn't saying much and not guarenteed (I've had a primalled stalker charge a crusader with 8 boxes taken and need his entire stack to finish him). The loss of a turn is a heavy price to pay. It's especially bad against Haley2 when your heavy can playing 2 turns on a 4turn game.
Thx for the info!
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Post by olannon on Mar 23, 2017 20:54:55 GMT
The weakest heavy in that list is the Pureblood. With Primal and Warp STR, it has about an 80% chance to one-round a Stormclad. Megalith is possibly marginally weaker, but it's still something you should count on as the Cygnar player. Sure, you might get lucky, but that's not how you should plan your turns.
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jisidro
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Post by jisidro on Mar 24, 2017 12:35:06 GMT
The weakest heavy in that list is the Pureblood. With Primal and Warp STR, it has about an 80% chance to one-round a Stormclad. Megalith is possibly marginally weaker, but it's still something you should count on as the Cygnar player. Sure, you might get lucky, but that's not how you should plan your turns.
For me, it's not a question of content it's a question of form and the information it conveys. By not mentioning primal it seems that they have the possibility of doing it by themselves with a regular Charge and full forcing which they are not likely at all to do. In turn it creates the idea that Warpwolves destroy everything they touch, let me tell you it's not the feeling you get Circle-side. Primal is something you cannot give up on 90% of the lists but it's also something you don't want to use.
Imagine Temporal Acceleration had this sentence added. A model affect by temporal acceleration forfeits it next activation. It would change the nature of the spell, it'd be a weapon of last resort and not a just a buff to weigh resources vs reward before using.
As an informative blog I think it is important to consider the other side of those 80%, the necessity of primal is something opponents can prey upon. It's a piece trade that you do not have to do next turn, you have 2 turns to punish that kill. It's not always possible ofc, but Cygnar is one of the factions with longer arms.
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Post by olannon on Mar 26, 2017 15:39:17 GMT
For me it boils down to how I think and what evaluations I base my decisions on. In this context a Circle warpwolf kills a Stormclad. Played 10 games this weekend. Lots of reports will come
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Post by olannon on Mar 26, 2017 17:58:19 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 26, 2017 18:10:19 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 26, 2017 18:17:51 GMT
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Post by olannon on Mar 26, 2017 18:30:02 GMT
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